Jan 27 2008
South Carolina Democratic primary thread
Australia Day festivities prevented me putting this thread up in a timely fashion, but better late than never. Barack Obama has polled 55 per cent of the vote in today’s Democratic primary in South Carolina, which has the country’s third highest proportion of African-Americans behind Mississippi and Louisiana. Hillary Clinton took second place with 27 per cent, ahead of John Edwards on 18 per cent.
January 29th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Ron -
can George write?
January 29th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
KR, Ron, davidoff, Don’t you worry about that, George’s language is all his own:
“I can press when there needs to be pressed; I can hold hands when there needs to be — hold hands.” –George W. Bush, on how he can contribute to the Middle East peace process, Washington, D.C., Jan. 4, 2008
January 29th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Glen @ 338.
Re the timing.
Election held 24th November.
Formal Delaration of McEwen after recount 20th December.
Next two to three weeks sunshine, lollipops and rainbows for all (especially Labor supporters!!).
Timing of the appeal is obviously within legal time limits.
Therefore, not an unreasonable delay.
Liberals can suffer in their jocks!
ESJ, @ 376
An interesting side issue is that there are many rumours that Fran was about to pull the pin anyway. Is it ethical for her to challenge the result if she intends to retire immediately afterwards? Remember, her pension will go backwards if she stays too long (Costello has the same issue BTW).
January 29th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
GG how could you question the integrity of Fran
She was a key vote that got Lord Nelson the leadership which shows how pollitically astute she is
January 29th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
GG
ethical schmethical.
Lets hope she retires.
(although not before the recount so she can re-lose the seat).
January 29th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
GG,
I think the McEwen type problem will be one of the Liberals biggest problems. Quite a few of the Howard class of 96 have the pension in the bag and have little reason to hang around in opposition. I can think of Dana Vaile, Peter Lindsay, Bailey for starters.
January 29th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Ha, that “zeitgeist” by the way!
And listen to Ted Kennedy work that crowd of students:
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=203816-1
…use the Windows Media option, and start 15 minutes into the clip.
Old Ted’s got zing!
January 29th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
ESJ,
The Libs problem is not just about the “never wases”. It is the panopoly of leadership wannabees that are stinking up the system.
I just don’t know what the Liberals stand for any more.
And neither does anyone else.
Inevitably, senior blood will be spilled and it won’t be pretty. It is just a matter of time.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Betting odds on the next VP. Very difficult to pick because of so many contingencies.
Bill Richardson 1.67
Barack Obama 2.85
Evan Bayh 5.00
John Edwards 5.00
Tim Pawlenty 7.00
Mitt Romney 8.00
Rudy Giuliani 8.00
Joe Biden 9.00
Chris Dodd 11.00
Hillary Clinton 11.00
Dennis Kucinich 16.00
Sam Brownback 21.00
Newt Gingrich 26.00
Duncan Hunter 36.00
John McCain 36.00
Mike Gravel 36.00
Mike Huckabee 36.00
Tom Tancredo 41.00
Ron Paul 51.00
Tommy Thompson 51.00
Condoleeza Rice 101.00
January 29th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
#407
That sound-byte at the 15 mins moment is a phrase that has been building over the last two or three weeks inside the Obama campaign machine. The crowd is roaring because he is building on a message “Yes We Can” - and in this context “we” means the American people with Obama. I should note that this is in stark contrast to Hillary usage of the word ‘we’ which in general is a reference to ‘me (Hillary) and Bill’.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Old Ted’s got zing alright, but Barak Obama just puts the whole audience into orbit.
He’s sure got a powerful mojo workin’, ain’t that the truth!
Funny connection between him and JFK, who’d helped get funding for Kenyan students to travel to the US. One of whom was his father. Nice narrative touch.
The Kennedy endorsement is poetic, powerful, and somehow makes the Clinton ‘Jesse Jackson’ line look even more squalid than it is.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Greensborough Growler- i have idea what the Labor Party stands for anymore? If you know please tell me.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Sorry that was meant to be i have no idea what the Labor Party stands for anymore?
January 29th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
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davidoff
It’s a rhetorical rocket, and Obama just blasts them off to another place. Just watching it, hearing the essential truth of what he’s saying about the tired old Washington game, is so uplifting I have to remember I’m not American!
And yes, Hill-Billy are the ‘royal plural’ and looking tackier with each passing week.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
#412 - sorry - parse error
January 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
#414 - ok
January 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
GG,
I have a confession to make (and Glen will be disappointed in me) I think Kevin Rudd has actually had a pretty good start. Its only impressions - but I think the homeless thing (if he delivers) is excellent and the national IR thing (if he stares down vested state interests) will be an enormous queue. If he delivers on these and has a good budget (ie generally tightens up on subsidies, bribes etc) he will be flying.
But maybe I am just a star.ucker who falls for the leader.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
sorry coup not queue.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
#414
What I’m really interested in is the amount of campaign funds that Obama is receiving from outside of the great USofA - and how his numbers on that front compare to the others.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
419
davidoff
it’s not legal, is my understanding, but others more well informed can probably spell out chapter and verse.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
After more than a couple of glass of a nice red you can sit back and take a break from the pollbludger with the following rendition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg9t9pJqTPo
January 29th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
#420 that sucks - it would be so interesting
January 29th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
ESJ- Thanks for the Alan Clark diaries tip. Which one should I read first? The “In Power” one came out first but the second volume “Into Politics” covers an earlier era.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
ESJ,
Too much windy waffle today. (Some of it is me no doubt). Re your kind comments about the new Government, here is an appropriate musical interlude so everyone can feel the love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU_9-uuKz0I
January 29th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
well Kevin 07 is so relieved to get a partial tick of approval from Edward the Tart
January 29th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Diogenes the in power is better - especially the stuff about what ministry he might get and his attitude to thatcher.
They are great because he does tell the truth - he was a randy old goat and the diaries demonstrate the obsession of politicians first and foremost with pecking order.
2 b sure Ron but hey if they deliver on those he will deserve the ticks. My hope is that he (through Therese is so loaded and doesnt need the money) that now that he has got in he is going to do the things he believes needs to be done and is happy to have 5 or 6 years and is really fussed about the consequences for the party/unions etc etc and wants to do something worthwhile whilst he has the chance to.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Kevin O7 intends to make some changes to the budget, hence funding cuts but guess what defence is not going to be touched.
Kevin 07 is a man which lets the media run his agenda, this morning when asks whether the Bradman question will be taken out of the citzenship test he said it was news to him and it would not happen. Kevin 07 should be Dud 08- simple.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
You seem like a disappointed lover marky, have you considered religion or having a fling?
January 29th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
ESJ,
I hope you are not suggesting “bungy” jumping without a rope for our concern troll That would be very unmellow.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
GG,
There is one and only PB concern troll and he has not been sighted for some weeks.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Dissappointed with people who have no conviction or vision or will to do things which will have profound impact on peoples’ lives, that is what i am disspointed with. Today it is all spin and no vision, inquiries which come to nothing and caving into the powerful classes time after time.
Always worries me when someone as rightwing as yourself supports Rudd.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Edward the Tart was nominated as a troll….perhaps a FF troll
January 29th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
#429
GG said:
GG - I’m sorry - but I have not been following the thread. But if we are talking about ESJ taking a plunge I’m up for it. But I should confess - I’m only interested on scientific grounds.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Oh dear, now I seem to have a pekinese peeing at the hem of my pyjamas!
January 29th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
actually there has been too much lefty love on this site so in the interest of fairness here goes (btw marky are you the American Democrat or the dissaffected labor memeber tonight?)
rudd is elmer fudd and speaks crud like a dud and lives in mud without a bud has a belly like a pud worships a false gud
but my dont the people like that nice mr wudd
January 29th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Please no more dribble.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
love this bumper sticker:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/403/nidcpfk7s9ah7vgdadc2a48qq4.jpg
best US election sticker I have seen. Then again I haven’t been looking too widely.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Edward is yearning for the return of the ‘wet’ Libs
whilst Markey awaits a visionary but alas Gough will forever be the last
January 29th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Try: Nixon in 88′: He’s tanned,ready and rested.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
People will like anything he does whilst the business elite and the media darlings continue to publish great things about him in their papers each day. But if he does anything the corporates elites don’t like watch the media turn on him, watch Murdoch lynch him.
Already starting to see a narrow and useless set of policies being considered on Climate Change.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
That was Peacock in 88
January 29th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Wet Libs Ron? No give me a hard-line law and order, economic rationalist conservative anyday!
January 29th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
After all didnt you all vote for an economic conservative?
January 29th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Who says we did?
January 29th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
but rudd is not the ‘wet’ Lib of your past dreams
January 29th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
mm @ 440,
What should Rudd be doing on climate change?
January 29th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
438
Ron
That’s no Pekinese Ron, it’s called incontinence, but I guess he’s gotta pretend to us it isn’t.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
437
blacklight
cute line isn’t it!
I’m surprised the Hill-Billy show hasn’t got Monica (in a blue dress) to ‘endorse’ Bill…ah, sorry, Hillary.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Britany will
The Clintons (the Clantons) are looking more like the Beverley Hillbillies every day
January 30th, 2008 at 12:06 am
It seems the polls have opened in the Florida primary.
January 30th, 2008 at 12:12 am
449
Ron
nice! That adds a touch to the Hilly-Billy Clantons. Can’t see Chelsea as Elly-May, however!
January 30th, 2008 at 12:15 am
And Clinton’s brother Roger can be Jethro, who in real life was quite smart and his since become a successfull producer and now owner of a chain of Beverly Hillbillies Casinos
January 30th, 2008 at 12:15 am
Oh, poor Rudy! Got the big plane, and the bunting and nobody (virtually) came:
Mr. Giuliani, former New York mayor, pledged that he would participate in a Republican presidential debate in California on Wednesday regardless of where he finished in Tuesday’s voting here. Still, if Florida is not his last stand, it remains the place where he has all but staked his campaign. And as the hours before voting waned, that campaign had none of the feel of imminent victory. Though his organization chartered a Boeing 727 for a day of barnstorming on the eve of the primary, none of the rallies at airports in Sanford, Clearwater, Fort Myers or Fort Lauderdale drew even 100 supporters.
…gotta say, though, if you listened to more than 15 seconds of Rudy you can hardly blame them for staying away.
January 30th, 2008 at 12:26 am
The discrediting of Ted Kennedy has begun.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/29/womens-group-slams-kennedy-for-betrayal-2/
This is gonna get ugly
January 30th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Oh christ, duck for cover! Pat Buchanan is scared of McCain’s finger on the button:
“That’s one of the things that makes me very nervous about him,” Buchanan went on. “There’s no doubt John McCain is going to be a war president. … His whole career is wrapped up in the military, national security. He’s in Putin’s face, he’s threatening the Iranians, we’re going to be in Iraq a hundred years.”
Armagedon! Armagedon outa here! LOL
January 30th, 2008 at 12:30 am
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TurningWorm
Is that the NY chapter of sisters? Ouch! A slapping of the old white guy.
Guess old white guys aren’t their usual favourite flavour.
January 30th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Climate change- This coming budget provides ample opportunities Dyno.
He could begin by phasing out the diesel fuel rebate to farmers and phasing out the fringe benefits provided to people who drive company cars and use the scheme to provide incentives for people to take public transport. Tax credits here are a good idea.
Provide government money for projects such as Geothermal development and Solar, plenty of room in our desert regions for projects to commence.
Stop the pulp mill in Tassie, do the same in regards to channel deepening project in Victoria as ships use an abundance of greenhouse gases. Use it rail instead.
Put in place significant funds to plant trees for carbon capture.
Embrace public transport by decreasing the massive funding for road projects which goes on unabated. Increase the import duties even more on bigger gas guzzlers and reducing it for electric vehicles, provide tax breaks only for these vehicles. Slowly pour funds into public transport projects so to encourage greater freight use instead of truck frieght which is clogging our roads, increasing maintenance, causing vehicle collisions, road trauma, pollution, respiratory and other health probs… WHAT A WASTE trucks on roads are.
What else i could go on..
Unfortunately Dyno their are so many vested interests in this web and none of it will be done.
Increase the import duties on electrical greenhouse items like plasma tvs.
January 30th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Dyno learn more or be a part of it with the best in the business -http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/
January 30th, 2008 at 12:35 am
repeat http://www.davidsuzuki.org/Climate_Change/
January 30th, 2008 at 12:45 am
The american presidental candidates positions on Climate Change- check out Ron Paul what a worry..
The best is Dennis Kucnich as usual.
Obama is a bit light.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/14765/
January 30th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Well, I never expected to see that. David Brooks on PBS, with Jim Lehrer, giving his take on the Ted Kennedy endorsement, and it turns out he was actually there.
To see David Brooks, clearly give a little choke of emotion when he talked of seeing the patriach of the Democrats, the patriach of the Kennedy’s, and the living link with the days of American promise hand that torch to Obama, well, it was truly quite incredible.
Even Brooks, who usually looks like a surprised chipmunk, was obviously taken aback by his own feelings.
Unforgetable.
January 30th, 2008 at 4:53 am
New thread open for Florida.